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Saturday, March 05, 2005

Lisa McDonald's Stonewall DFL Questionaire

Lisa is running in Ward 13 (Southwest Minneapolis). The Stonewall Board of Directors overruled a membership vote to find Lisa "acceptable" because she had raised money for Tim Penny for Governor. This had nothing to do with Lisa's positions or history on GLBT issues.

I was at the Stonewall Board meeting, and I heard the deliberations. Megan Thomas was the person who pushed to strip Lisa of the previously given "acceptable rating".

When Lisa ran for Mayor in 2001, I supported her candidacy. She was a moderate candidate who was interested in fiscal accountability. Lisa has an excellent record on GLBT Issues, and it's unfortunate that Stonewall DFL did not rate her acceptable. She is running as a Democrat.

Candidate name:

Lisa McDonald
Campaign address:

McDonald 2005 Committee
3109 West 50th Street, #212
Minneapolis, MN 55410

Candidate e-mail address:

1)What experience do you have with GLBT issues and the GLBT community?

As an eight-year member of the Minneapolis City Council representing the citizens of Ward 10, I had ample opportunity to work on and vote on GLBT issues that came before the Council and affected the city. The Tenth Ward has a large GLBT population and I believe the GLBT community has been a very positive influence on city livability, tolerance and diversity. Many of our neighborhoods have been turned around by GLBT homeowners.

2)How do you think GLBT people in committed relationships should be granted equal legal protection as heterosexual couples? Why do you prefer that method to others?

Yes, I support either a civil union or marriage for GLBT people in committed relationships. This status is important because of the legal protections offered when there is shared real estate, financial holdings, and, most importantly, when there are children. I think it is ironic that some people pontificate about marriage being for straight people only, considering our divorce rate is over 50 percent.

3)What are your priorities for the office you are running for?

  • Public safety. Restoring our police and fire departments to full force.

  • Moderate budgets. Making sure our citizens’ tax dollars are spent wisely.

  • Basic services. Delivering good quality services to our residents, including trash pickup, street maintenance and snowplowing.

  • Responsive customer service. Giving good constituent service and making city government responsive.

  • Green city. Protecting our environment, creating more greenspace and restoring our urban forest, and making all city agencies buy and act green.

4)Are there any GLBT issues that you have questions about or need assistance with?

As an elected official I have had and will continue to have an open door policy for any members of the GLBT community. I fully expect that if questions arise about particular issues I will be able to call members of the community to give me more information and background if I need it.

5)If endorsed by Stonewall DFL will you actively list that endorsement in campaign materials? If not, why?

Yes, I will put that endorsement in my campaign materials.

6)Do you plan on abiding by the DFL endorsement if there is one for your race?

I will be running in the 13th Ward regardless of the endorsement results.

7)Would you be willing to work with other elected officials in surrounding communities to establish a metro-wide or multi-city domestic partnership registry?

Yes definitely. I think as a moderate Democrat I would be able to work well with folks from the suburban area to make that happen.

8)Are you in favor of providing domestic partner health care benefits for city employees similar to what has occurred in the private sector in most of the Fortune 500 companies? If your city does not currently offer such benefits, would you introduce/support legislation to bring about such benefits?

Yes I would and I did support those efforts as a Council Member from 1993-2001.

9)How do you propose to address the current drug crisis (PNP or so-called “party and play” drugs) in the GLBT community?

First, we must increase funding on a national, state or county level for continued, constant and aggressive health education of the risks of non-safe sex which generally occurs more often with "party drugs." Recently in New York, a new and particularly virulent strain of AIDS has been identified. Health officials believe that the person with this particular strain has engaged in "party and play" drugs and has infected hundreds of other partners.

Second, efforts must be increased by law enforcement personnel to crack down on the availability of meth and to shut down meth labs.

10)What would you do in your office, if elected, to bring attention back to those people living with HIV or AIDS?

I have in the past and will continue to support the funding the City provides to deal with AIDS. I would also lobby at the county and state levels for greater funding for programs for people with HIV or AIDS. The City should increase its efforts to assist homeless people (in the area of housing) many of whom are living with HIV and AIDS.

11)What would you do to improve community relations and encourage diversity in the Police and Fire Departments with respect to better understanding of the GLBT community?

First I would continue to encourage diversity in hiring. The Minneapolis Fire Department has done a good job of hiring GLBT firefighters, but we still have a long ways to go in the police department. Diversity training should be the norm for both departments but more importantly the message from the chief of police needs to be that the department respects GLBT employees AND GLBT citizens. The new chief has been good on issues in communities of color but I have yet to see that emphasis in the GLBT community.

12)What would you do to combat hate crimes against members of the GLBT community?

First hate crimes need to be taken seriously when they are reported to the police. The department needs to treat them the same as arson or robbery or homicide by taking a full report and forwarding it to both the city attorney and the investigation unit of the police department. Then the council and the mayor need to emphasize to the City Attorney’s office that prosecuting these crimes is a priority for the city.

13)How would you reach out to members of the GLBT business community to encourage their participation in city planning and economic development?

As a council member in Ward 10, I made a point of encouraging all small business owners in the community to participate in planning sessions for development not only at their intersections but also for larger ward issues like the Urban Village, the repaving of Hennepin Avenue, the Uptown Transit Hub, and the parking lots at Lyn-Lake. At the start of my tenure, I walked each business hub with a member of the local business association, meeting the business owners. As new owners moved in, I made a point of visiting their business and encouraging them to stay involved with the local neighborhood and local business association. Plus as new business owners approached the ward office to open a business, we tried to help them get through the city process so they had a favorable opinion of participating in the city process. Plus I visited my businesses at least once a year since it was far easier for me to go to them, than for them to come to city hall. I intend to do the same when I’m elected in the 13th Ward.

USA Next continues to backpeddle on how they illegally used photo for anti-gay, anti-AARP ad

Editor and Publisher here.

CNN digs into this and finds contradicting statements. Video at Crooks and Liars.

From the CNN Transcript:

Now we want to bring you an update on another story right here -- actually on this ad. This is an ad by USA Next against the AARP, and in particular, this photo right here. The two people in this photo have been saying that USA Next has been illegally using this photo for their ad campaign.

SCHECHNER: OK. Now, this gets a little complicated, Abbi. So you guys are going to have to try and follow me on this one.

On Monday, this whole controversy broke over the use of the photo. So CNN called USA Next to find out if they had the rights to the photograph. USA Next, through a spokesperson, told us that they paid the "Portland Tribune," who took the photograph, $850 for the use of the photo.

It turns out that's not to true. We went over to today, and just moments ago found out about this article in the "Portland Tribune" saying that they did not sell this photo.

The quote here is, "The paper did not give, sell or contribute its use in any way, and no request for its use was received before the photo appeared in the ad." This was according to the "Portland Tribune" photo director. "Such a request, if submitted, would have been rejected anyway," he says, "because the paper won't sell photos for commercial use without the permission of the people shown in the photo."

So CNN calls back over to USA Next, and the spokesperson says they didn't, in fact, buy the photo but they thought that their Web consultant had. So we spoke to the Web consultant says -- and this is a quote just moments ago -- "We screwed up. We made a mistake."

TATTON: Got to love that quote.

SCHECHNER: So that's what's going on.

Judy, back to you.

WOODRUFF: OK. We are following that one from start to finish. But we'll see if that is, indeed, the finish.

Blogs do give mainstream media stories to follow up on. The people who say blogs are going to replace mainstream media are full of it.

UPDATED: Added CNN story info.

Friday, March 04, 2005

Magic Kitty

Amazing story of a cat who rode on the roof of a car for 10 miles.

Commenter "ME" at Ourhouse Blog: Gay Marriage is connected to Communism

Here. It's not clear whether David Strom or Margaret Martin wrote the comments signed by "me".

Correction: Another commenter at Ourhouse says that "me" is probably not David Strom or Margaret Martin. Lloydletta appologises for the misattribution. Title corrected on this entry.

worldnetdaily? glass houses. i smell jealousy. maybe farrah should have employed a little humility and tried the day-pass rout himself rather than trying to get his activist publication permanently vetted.

they know they should be ashamed about of it; their hypocracy as well as their homophobia. that looney hinchey is already trying to whitewash it -- pretending that the source of leftwing concern about gannon's sexu-er, press passes is that he is the missing link in the rove/rathergate connection.

i thought buckhead was supposed to be the bagman?!

i think your estimation of the left's relationship with the gay community is more accurate than your estimation of the right's.

the marriage issue is a matter of genuine concern over wich there is lots of room for accord between gays and straights. the gay "leaders", who are intransigent in their demand that either civil unions be called marriages or nothing, are commies first long before they ar
me | 03.02.05 - 3:24 am | #


...long before they are members of any other community.
me | 03.02.05 - 3:25 am | #


let your opinion be known widely. i think you'll find tha most conservatives agree with you. and dick cheney.
me | 03.02.05 - 3:28 am | #


you can't keep a good man down!
me | 03.02.05 - 3:30 am | #

Gravatar I'm not sure what gay marriage and communism have got to do with one another.

The mainstream gay groups didn't fight DOMA when it came up - because at that time Clinton was President - and they gave him - and Wellstone a pass. Now that Republicans have both houses plus the WH, they are fighting these amendments.

When the Republican Party puts out flyers saying that Liberals want to ban the bible and allow gay marriage, it's pandering to bigotry. Especially when they illustrate the allowing gay marriage by showing a picture of a gay couple.

Passing these so-called "protect marriage" amendments won't make gay people go away, they will just make it more difficult for gays to legally protect their relationships - since the amendments go way beyond marriage - but also legal equivalents or similar language.
lloydletta | Homepage | 03.02.05 - 11:57 pm | #

Gravatar Dick Cheney has been the most consistent on the FMA - he's never supported, and said that "Freedom means freedom for everyone." That nastiness from some on the left to Mary Cheney is appalling. I've always had alot of respect for her.
lloydletta | Homepage | 03.02.05 - 11:59 pm | #

"I'm not sure what gay marriage and communism have got to do with one another."

utterly nothing in theory. drew sullivan is perhaps the first to come to mind as a non-commie, pro-marriage rights american. he also understands that, like any other issue of national interest, the outcome has to be the product of a national argument, rather than imposed, politburo-style, via the courts on behalf of the narrow objectives of a few. those who are persuing the latter route are the "commies" i was referring to.
me | 03.03.05 - 1:24 am | #

Gravatar Was that Margaret of David who said that gays taking a case to court to get their relationship protected are commies? In other words - who is "me"?

Also - I still don't understand how taking something to court = communism. I thought the courts were part of our system of government in this country. Maybe I never understood my 5th grade social studies.
lloydletta | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 12:03 am | #

I've seen Strom do this on TV - call anything he disagrees with "socialism" or "communism". It's a knee jerk response - and really doesn't mean anything.

More Chuck Muth on 10 Commandments Case


Conservative columnist Cal Thomas raises some interesting points on the brouhaha being raised about displaying the Ten Commandments on public property. "First, a group of conservative Christians is behind the effort," he writes. "Not many, if any, Jewish groups are petitioning government for this right, though the Ten Commandments are uniquely Jewish. Moses was Jewish."

Interesting...since we constantly hear defenders of displaying the Ten Commandments cite our "Judeo-Christian heritage." Which is interesting, in itself, because Christians back in our founding days regarded Jews about as highly as they did us Catholics and the Quakers. When and why did our "Christian heritage" become our "Judeo-Christian heritage"? And did anybody tell the Jews?

Cal also points out something I’ve not seen mentioned before. If a government courthouse were to display the world-renowned Prime Directive from John 3:16 - "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" - it "would surely be ruled unconstitutional." And I think Cal is absolutely right. Which raises the question: Why would displaying one religious doctrine be a clear violation of the separation of church and state doctrine...but the other isn’t? (And don’t write that "separation of church and state" doesn’t appear in the Constitution. Neither does "God".)

This is going to be a fun Supreme Court ruling in June.

From the US Constitution article VI:

Clause 3: The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

Also, more commonly known - the first amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Somehow Scalia that self-styled "strict constructionist" seems to forget about these parts of the constitution.

Blogger Vertibratism

It's appalling really.

More Virulent HIV Strain

GayPatriotWest has a good post on the topic.

Money quote discussing Sexual Ecology by Gabriel Rotello:

In his book, he makes a much broader argument, suggesting, among other things, that gay men need to make a "larger transformation" than merely relying on "the condom code." At a later date, I will comment on the meaning of that larger transformation, attempting to distill Rotello's argument and complementing it with my own opinion. But, for now, in the wake of the discovery of this "possibly new HIV strain," I encourage you to buy and read a Rotello's book which both Larry Kramer and I consider "one of the most important books ever written for and about gay men.

So-called "Academic Bill of Rights"

Pharyngula explains:

Horowitz tries to claim he's just interested in protecting students in the classroom, but look at what he uses as an example in the article:

Horowitz spoke at the news conference, saying that professors imposing their political ideologies on their students was unprofessional.

"You don't go into a doctor's office and expect to get a political lecture or see on his office door cartoons bashing John Kerry or bashing George Bush," he said.

So is the intent of the Academic Bill of Rights to regulate what cartoons I am allowed to put on my office door? It doesn't say anything about that, but he sure sounds like that's what he wants to do. If he wants to crack down on our corkboards, you can bet he also wants to go gunning for our web sites. Somehow, I don't think he or Bachmann will be miffed at conservative faculty, however.

In his tirade last night, his chief target was Ward Churchill, and what he and other conservatives constantly bring up was his crazy "little Eichmanns" comment. That, of course, was in something he published. They are going after Churchill for his "political or religious beliefs," something explicitly forbidden by the ABOR. I don't sense much actual commitment to the principles of the document from its promoters.

There's always alot of irony with these situations.

A commenter adds:

6. Selection of speakers, allocation of funds for speakers programs and other student activities will observe the principles of academic freedom and promote intellectual pluralism.

Does that mean IDists and Holocaust deniers have to be hired to counter mainstream biologists and historians?

1. ...No faculty shall be hired or fired or denied promotion or tenure on the basis of his or her political or religious beliefs.

What if these political or religious beliefs are cranky science, such as belief that the Holocaust didn't happen?

Good question. Another adds:

Look at the last sentence of number 8 of the so called Academic Bill of Rights:

"8. Knowledge advances when individual scholars are left free to reach their own conclusions about which methods, facts, and theories have been validated by research. Academic institutions and professional societies formed to advance knowledge within an area of research, maintain the integrity of the research process, and organize the professional lives of related researchers serve as indispensable venues within which scholars circulate research findings and debate their interpretation. To perform these functions adequately, academic institutions and professional societies should maintain a posture of organizational neutrality with respect to the substantive disagreements that divide researchers on questions within, or outside, their fields of inquiry."

The last sentence is incredible; it would stifle professional organizations from commenting on virtually anything! What substantive issue isn't "within, or outside [...] fields of inquiry"? That literally means everything, doesn't it? Imagine that! Can these people really mean this?

It looks to me like they just want to keep professional societies from weighing in on whatever might be controversial, even (especially?) if it is something in which the societies have actual competence.

Name a few societies: AAAS, NSTA, GSA, NABT, Society for the Study of Evolution, and all other scientific societies---if they had to follow this, they would be unable to make position statements on the teaching of evolution, the history or age of the Earth, the age of the Universe...or anything else.


Just guess which Minnesota legislator is introducing this piece of nonsense.

Thursday, March 03, 2005

Chuck Muth on 10 Commandments Case before the Supreme Court

Frankly, if a judge wants to hang a copy of the Ten Commandments in his what? Erecting a 2-ton granite monument in the middle of the courthouse rotunda, complete with Hollywood klieg lights? That’s a different story. So just where DOES the Supreme Court draw the line. This could be an awfully interesting and tortured "split the baby" decision.

But let’s at least be honest here. Opponents say the Ten Commandments is a religious doctrine. Supporters are trying to contend that it’s an historical document.

Folks, it’s religious. No matter how you slice it. No matter how you try to "spin" it. It’s religious.

Also, polls show overwhelming support for displaying the Ten Commandments. Such support is irrelevant. Popular opinion should have nothing to do with the case. Displaying the Ten Commandments on government property is either constitutional or unconstitutional. Popular opinion in this case should have no more weight than international opinion in others.

At least, that’s the position CONSISTENT conservatives will take.

Well said, Chuck.

Student Organization Alphabet Soup

Previously on Student Organization Potpouri

Marty Andrade comments:

So....It's wrong that I'm active on campus and work for what I believe in? I'm also in the Minnesota Student Association, I work as a columnist for the Minnesota Daily, I'm the head officer of the Minnesota Handball club, and I still find time to volunteer. Should I motor back then? Should I stop blogging too?

The point was that several of these groups were requesting and receiving money from Students Fees Committee. When looking at the officers involved, the same names were appearing repeatedly.

Andrade and Lloydletta not at War

Andrade stopped by and commented.

I don't think we're in competition with each other, there's no Eva v. Andrade, I'm not wishing for your downfall or anything of the like.

I'll admit that there's some personal issues, some historical issues that I have with Mr. Hoplin, as well as the U of M College Republicans. However. I think there are some unanswered questions when it comes to the National CR fundraising measures, and Hoplin was in charge of the group when the scandal happened. That's it, I think I link to a story on my blog, if not I will link to the story.

But beyond that, I'm glad that the College Republicans aren't bad people (in your eyes or others) I've met a number of them, and for the most part I like them, and I've worked with many of them.

So I'm left wondering what exactly it is about me that keeps you slapping my name on your blog (for which I will not complain, as you're providing a lot of good traffic to my blog, and I believe that any press is good press). I suppose it is because you consider me a wingnut right type.

However, I think I'm in the mainstream of the GOP, I've taken a number of tests that have shown that I'm not an extremist, and I'm certain I'm not an extremist.

I do consider myself edgy, with the events and the type of stuff the groups I'm involved with on campus do, but that's what keeps us in the press.

I guess being abrasive is reason enough to be against me.

Needless to say, I'm not against you or any of the moderate members of the GOP, or any of the Log Cabin GOPers, But I think that attacking the mainstream GOP for being against gay marriage is harsh, as a lot of democrats are against gay marriage as well.

I'm getting off topic. About the CRs, I only ask that people read up on the fundraising scandal, and maybe read the column I wrote on the scandal in my blog. And certainly don't think that I am locked in a battle with Lloydletta or anyone else. I just want an ethical party.
Marty Andrade

Most politicians from both parties are against Gay Marriage. The difference between Kerry and Bush on the subject was Kerry supported constitutional amendments at the state level, while Bush supports the Federal Marriage Amendment. There were other issues where the candidates differed, though Kerry made no real efforts to run on those issues during the campaign. For example, public opinion favors overturning the ban on gays serving in the military (the Don't Ask, Don't Tell Policy, which Clinton signed). Kerry didn't make any effort to address this issue in the debates when the issue of gays came up.

I was rather facinated to find that the College Republican students I spoke to last night were under the impression that Kerry supported gay marriage. Kerry didn't. Though on this - like many other issues, he flip flopped.

If Hoplin was in charge of College Republicans at the national level when the fundraising scandal occurred, then he should answer questions about it.

I haven't said, nor do I think that Andrade is a wingnut type. I do think others in the Students for Family Values and Campus Republicans do seem to be from the wingnut faction of the Republican party. I've participated in the Students for Family Values web forums, and found a fair amount of wingnuttery posted there. Perhaps that is why the forums were shut down. I also find the actions of Campus Republicans in relation to the Women's Student Activist Collective rather juvenile and inappropriate.

As far as wingnuts go - I'd say Tom Swift is one of the nuttier ones. Read his blog if you want to read mean spirited rantings about gays among other issues.

Wednesday, March 02, 2005

Requesting Admission into the Minnesota Organization of Bloggers

Contact Chad the Elder at

Admission rules are here and here.

Tom Swift, the failed school board candidate and embarrassment to the Republican Party discusses Lloydletta's appearance on the Nick Coleman show.

Lloydletta v Andrade

Previously on this topic, I commented about the internacine struggles between the various and sundry U of MN Republican groups. I ended this with: "And I thought Log Cabin Republicans was full of bitchy queens!"

Marty Andrade stopped by Lloydletta again. I'm very glad he's reading the blog. He asks:

So, I take it you're supporting Hoplin's fundraising measures where he took money from old people, are you promoting his insatiable asshatery?
Marty Andrade

I'm not clear from Marty's article on his blog whether Hoplin has been implicated in this. Often people from local chapters might not be familiar with what the National Organization is doing.

If Hoplin was involved in scamming old people, I'd agree with Andrade. However this part of his blog post suggests this is about internal divisiveness:

Now we can look forward to seeing this type of political activity from Hoplin where it really counts. I truly hope he cleans up his act, the man was responsible for the first round of infighting between the various Republican groups on campus, and he was partially responsible for the eventual split of the Campus Republicans from the State and National CR boards. While the infighting and the petty campus politics I were involved with are no big deal, the questions about fundraising at the national level are very legitimate.

I spoke to the U of MN College Republicans tonight. I was invited to represent Log Cabin Republicans. It was a very good group, and the students all asked very good questions. If these students are the future of the Republican party, I feel very optimistic about the future of the party.

DFL Caucus Report

From the Minneapolis Issues list posted by Mike Nelson:

I just came home from my precinct caucus.
I seriously doubt I will be returning.

When we were in the process of filling our allotted number of delegates,we had more volunteers than open positions. Someone made a suggestion regarding how we might eliminate some people.

The suggestion: " I think anyone who is a white male should step

I didn't even stay to hear the rest of her suggestion. I left.
(Actually, I not left, I more center)

I wasn't going to attend this evening because I have been getting the feeling that I am no longer welcome in the DFL party because I am a "straight white male". People told me I was just being silly. So, like lots of people, I took time away from other things because I want to help.

Unless you are marching in lock-step with the party, you are not welcome. Oh, and by the way, if you're a white male, you are the problem. Get lost.

I may not be a DFL poster boy, not being in a special interest group and all, but I've given one hell of an effort over the years.

See ya later.

Mike Nelson
White Male Oppressor, I guess

Despite the quota system existing in the DFL for years, it's still a struggle for women or African Americans to become candidates for the higher level positions. Stuff like this continues to happen.

Welcome Air America Readers

Posts about Lloydletta's short stint in the Minnesota Organization of Bloggers are here, here and here.

The MOBster who accepted, then revoked my membership told me he didn't want his emails to that effect to be made public. He said it was Tom Swift who made the original complaint - and other MOBsters concurred. He said Mitch Berg wasn't part of the group who complained, but later told me that Mitch Berg had given additional "corroborating evidence" - whatever that was. Though I've tangled with Berg at times, I helped Berg file a formal complaint after he was booted from the MN-Politics-Discuss list. Berg's appeal prevailed.

I believe my booting from MOB isn't because I'm gay, but rather because I've got a second blog: Dump Michele Bachmann, whose politics of hate mongering I think is bad for the Republican Party and bad for the State of Minnesota.

Developing. . .

Monday, February 28, 2005

A Reader comments on Lloydletta v the MOB

Previously on Lloydletta v the MOB....

The oh-so-effervescent Marty Andrade stopped by and commented:

You ever consider the fact that most of your blog focuses not on trying to attack the stupid ideas of liberalism, but on attacking members and views of people who agree with you on many issues? Might that have a lot to do with your current unpopularity with the MOBsters?

Marty, there's the loony left and wingnut right. I find them both tiresome - and eerily similar to each other.

On his own blog, Marty sez:

Eric Hoplin, chairman of the College Republican National Committee, announced at the press conference the he is running for deputy state Republican Party chairman. A native of Detroit Lakes, he is a 2001 St. Olaf College graduate. Both Pawlenty and Eibensteiner endorsed his candidacy.

It is unfortunate that questionable individuals like Eric Hoplin can have so much success. If I were a more tactless man, I would call Hoplin a scumbag. Maybe I should anyway.

The reason I have such ill regard for Mr. Hoplin is because he was most recently involved in a scandal involving the College Republicans National Committee (CRNC).

And I thought Log Cabin Republicans was full of bitchy queens!

Y'all stop back now.... Ya hear?

Couple in USA Next Anti-gay, Anti-AARP Ad Now Suing USA Next

More here....

As I mentioned earlier, I get tired of how both political parties are using gays as political footballs. A pox on both sides.

Students for Family Values, CFACT and Students for Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms - Oh My!

Acting on a tip, I checked into who are the officers, phone numbers, addresses, and whether these groups had Faculty Advisors or not. I compared to some similar groups: the Federalist Society, the University DFL, Libertarians, Greens and Law School Republicans.

SFV: Students for Family Values
SATF: Students for Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms
CFACT: Collegians For a Constructive Tommorow (CFACT)
YC: Young Constutitutionalists
CR: Campus Republicans
LSR: Law School Republicans
UDFL: College DFL
CG: Campus Greens
FS: Federalist Society

P: President
VP: Vice President
T: Treasurer
S: Secretary
O: Officer
RO: Resigned Officer

Note: Scroll down - the table doesn't seem to format properly with blogger.

 Officer P 
RO    VP
T    P

SATF and Campus Republicans have the same phone number and residential off campus address: 612-414-2525 and 417 11th Av S #5.

None of the groups listed in the table except for CFACT have advisors - and CFACT's advisor is in Virginia. MPIRG - which is funded by a similar mechanism to CFACT has a local advisor.

Compare to the Federalist Society, Law School Republicans and Campus Libertarians - all who have on campus faculty advisors - Dale Carpenter, Edward Adams and Randall Barnes respectively.

Developing. . .

Sunday, February 27, 2005

Springfield is for Gay Lovers of Marriage

Check out the ad here.

Pharyngula on Mel Gabler

I learned a few months late that Mel Gabler was dead. This Mel Gabler. I don't like to speak ill of the dead, but Gabler had a good 89 year run in which he spread poison and ignorance and lies, and made his wretched mark on the textbook industry. He was a dishonest old man who reviewed biology textbooks through the lens of his own stupidity and religious prejudice, and he was darned good at it.

Take a look at his criteria for evaluating biology textbooks. I've added links to Mark Isaak's indispensable index of creationist claims so that you can easily look up the real story. Every single one of these criteria that Gabler used to block the adoption of good science textbooks was a lie. Most of them are trivial and obvious lies to anyone with a little basic knowledge of biology. I look at his rationalizations and see gibbering, spittle-flecked senility…and this is the man the Texas State Board of Education took seriously.


If you are a Biology teacher or a school board member, bookmark this post. It's a wonderful resource.

Lloydletta's Now a Flappy Bird

Eat your heart out
, Ourhouse Blog!

Students for Family Values and CFACT

From a reader tip:


I don't know if you know this, but all student organizations fees requests are posted online along with initial budget reccomendations. You may be interested in the amount of student fee money going to Andrade's radio program from the CFACT and SFV budgets, as well as the amount of money in the CFACT budget for advertising (I have only seen one ad in the daily that would have cost about 400 dollars to run and I don't think they need to advertise their interstate clean up. just go to, click on the student organizations tab on the top, then select finances. Have fun

I stopped over there and found:

Student Services Fees Committee
Sub-Committee Recommendations for 2005-2006 Funding
  • Organization: Students for Family Values
  • Amount Requested: $83,000 Amount Recommended: $15,000
  • Committee Vote: 4 for, 0 against, 1 abstaining
  • Majority Rationale
    The majority recommends a funding level of $15,000, the same level as last year. While SFV has proven to provide an alternative viewpoint on campus, contributing greatly to the marketplace of ideas, the committee feels as though the group can continue to improve their effectiveness and visibility while still being fiscally responsible and realistic.

Then for CFACT:

Student Services Fees Committee
Sub-Committee Recommendations for 2005-2006 Funding

  • Organization: Collegians for a Constructive Tomorrow
  • Amount Requested: $4.13 Refusable / Refundable
  • Amount Recommended: $4.13 Refusable / Refundable
  • Committee Vote: 5 for, 0 against, 0 abstaining
  • Majority Rationale
    The subcommittee recommends that Collegians for A Constructive Tomorrow be funded through the refusable-refundable fee method at the rate of $4.13 per semester. This organization will continue to increase programming on environmental and social issues
    and contribute to the idea marketplace within the University community. The fee is optional, so students have the opportunity to opt out of paying the fee if they do not agree with its activities.

I'd never heard of CFACT before this. Looking at their website, they sponsor events like this:

"The Great Global Warming Debate"

CFACT-UM will pit a self-proclaimed global warming expert against a skeptic of this much discussed environmental theory. The debaters will cover the science, public policy, and politics of global warming.

I've sent an email to Martha Marks of Republicans for Environmental Protection to see if she has heard of this group. Jim Dipeso from REP discusses Global Warming on his weblog.

This sounds very much like the Creationist "Teach the Controversy" schtick. Is this another Discovery Institute?

Brian Edstrom and Marty Andrade are officers for both CFACT and Students for Family Values. Also - a Virginia person is advising CFACT:

Bill Gilles (703)283-0701

Isn't that just ducky?

Compare to the recommendations for two groups SFV doesn't like much: Queer Student Cultural Center and the Women's Student Activist Collective.

Student Services Fees Committee
Sub-Committee Recommendations for 2005-2006 Funding

  • Organization: Women’s Student Activist Collective
  • Amount Requested: $25,000 Amount Recommended: $25,000
  • Committee Vote: 3 for, 1 against, 1 abstaining
  • Majority Rationale
    It is the opinion of the majority that the Women’s Student Activist Collective (WSAC) be granted their entire request for student services fees of $25,000. The group has demonstrated that a clear need for their service exists and that all students on campus benefit from their efforts for issues awareness. WSAC has shown that their student services fees are spent responsibly and are used on productive events such as their Dismantling Violence event. WSAC has shown clearly how they intend to utilize the requested student service fees, and have also shown themselves as a responsible group and a vital organization to the campus community and should be granted their full request.
  • Minority Rationale
    The minority feels that the projected expenses for FY 05-06 are excessive, and that the Woman’s Student Activist Collective does not need all of the requested amount. A 10% reduction of the request should be adequate.

Student Services Fees Committee
Sub-Committee Recommendations for 2005-2006 Funding

  • Organization: Queer Student Cultural Center
  • Amount Requested: $27,500 Amount Recommended: $27,500
  • Committee Vote: 5 for, 0 against, 0 abstaining
  • Majority Rationale
    The committee recommends that the Queer Student Cultural Center receive $27,500 in funding. The Queer Student Cultural Center continues to offer important programs, services and advocacy to the University student body. The committee, however, recommends that QSCC maintain an operating reserve of approximately 10 percent.

According to Brian Edstrom, President of Students for Family Values, the Women's Student Activist Collective (WSAC) filed a grievance against Students for Family Values. Further investigation revealed that WSAC also filed a grievance against the Campus Republicans. WSAC would not comment about what the grievance was about. My guess is it was about this:

From: "Thomas Meyer"
Subject: Meeting Tonight
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So we have a meeting tonight, although it will be short, it would be great if you would come, and theres always the Big 10 afterwards.
On the docket this week
-Possible JKO revisions (nothing major)
-2 invitations to accept or decline, one abotu a fahrenheit 9/11 screening, the other for a debate with some candidate running for some seat which i cant remember right now
-Discussion on the debates
-Discussion on taking over the WSAC and stealing our money back

Thats about it for now. If you want anything else brought up at the meeting, let me know, or show up and bring it up yourself. Hope to see y'all there.

From: "Thomas Meyer"
Subject: Hey Y'all
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Meeting tonight in Coffman room 326, which is next door to where we usually are. Its at 7 as usual, with the big 10 afterwards until the wee hours.

On the docket for tonight-
-New date for JKO
-Discussion on fees, are we applying
-Possible takeover of WSAC, the biggest fees wasting group this side of MPIRG
-tables that need to get filled
-discussion of the super fun trip orlando and i made to South High last thursday.
-anything else anyone wants to do

Thanks for reading and I hope to see you there.