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Friday, June 08, 2007

Stirring things Up on Aravosis's Comment Threads

From Aravosis's comment thread to his story about Bill Clinton advising Kerry to Throw Gays Under the Bus in 2004.

Gary sez:

If the Democratic nominee advocated the death penalty for gays, I would still happily vote for them.

EY: How many others here would vote for a Democrat who advocated the death penalty for gays?
Eva Young | Homepage | 06.07.07 - 11:52 pm | #

Folks - you act like Clinton sat down one day and wrote DOMA and ran it up to the Hill yelling "Bob Dole -look what a great idea I have!" The Rs passed DOMA in large part to set Clinton up. If he had vetoed it he very likely would not have been reelected (remember this was 1996 when something like 70% of the country strongly opposed gay marriage - and remember how the state gay marriage bans reelected Bush in 2004). Clinton had no choice but to sign DOMA - don't be so naive.
Phillip | 06.07.07 - 11:54 pm | #

Haven't you ever seen a president or governor sign legislation he or she knew would be overturned if it went to the federal courts? DOMA violates the Full Faith and Credit clause of the US Constitution. Why do you think the homophobes are pushing so hard for a Federal Constitutional Amendment? Because they know, the second they get challenged in court on federal grounds, their refusal to recognise a legal marriage from another state will be overturned. But if you want to sit home or vote for Ralph Nader because the Democratic Nominee doesn't base everything on what Gays and Lesbians want, go ahead. By the way, of course, once DOMA is overturned, the constituional amendment will sweep through. Might I suggest you wait for a little better political atmosphere before tackling that one.
TAS

EY: Nope, TAS, what John is doing is calling on Bill Clinton's history of marginalizing gays for political gain. I haven't read Bill Clinton's book, but understand that there was barely a mention of the gay people who had been very helpful in his campaign. Clinton will pander, he'll sign gay pride proclamations - but will he do anything of substance?
Eva Young | Homepage | 06.07.07 - 11:58 pm | #

I find it so fascinating how straight people just assume Gays will sacrifice their Civil Rights in order to save the US from Republican rule...I don't give a shit anymore. Let what is left of this silly nation be destroyed. I will not be a martyr for you.
Dula | 06.08.07 - 12:31 am | #

I would like to hear her say the words, "When I am President I WILL repeal DOMA." I will be listening. Though electing more Democrats that support such a JUST ACTION is imperative as well.
Libertine | 06.08.07 - 12:32 am | #

...you expect us to just sit by and be happy for you when you get married, get tax breaks, get your spouse's social security benefits, etc...you expect us to just sit there with a stupid grin on our face, satisfied with the fact that a Democrat is in power...FUCK YOU!
Dula | 06.08.07 - 12:36 am | #

Folks - you act like Clinton sat down one day and wrote DOMA and ran it up to the Hill yelling "Bob Dole -look what a great idea I have!" The Rs passed DOMA in large part to set Clinton up. If he had vetoed it he very likely would not have been reelected (remember this was 1996 when something like 70% of the country strongly opposed gay marriage - and remember how the state gay marriage bans reelected Bush in 2004). Clinton had no choice but to sign DOMA - don't be so naive.
Phillip

EY: Aw, a variation of "the bitch set me up".... That's not the case, Phillip. If that had been the case, then Clinton would NOT have advertised his support of DOMA on Christian radio.

It wasn't just that Clinton supported DOMA, he supported using the issue to marginalize gays - read the quote from Time Magazine that John cited.
Eva Young | Homepage | 06.08.07 - 1:42 am | #

All that is left is to figure out which rightwing billionaire is paying Shrum for his lies.
Paul in LA | 06.07.07 - 9:28 pm

EY: Aw, that Vast Right Wing Conspiracy again... The black helicopters are circling, eh Paul?
Eva Young | Homepage | 06.08.07 - 1:43 am | #


I couldn't resist.

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