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Tuesday, November 20, 2007

Avidor Hits a Nerve

From Whine in the Dark:

Ken “Avidor” Weiner is apparently using the Strib’s “Buzz.mn” to carry on his obsession with trying to “smear” regional conservatives with the most tenuous possible “guilt” by association.


From the comments:

# peevish Says:
November 19th, 2007 at 8:15 pm

Since Mitch only pointed out one “bobbled” fact, and that one was dubious, it seems to me this was more screed than critique. Mitch doesn’t like Weiner, Weiner doesn’t like Swift (and who does) - so Mitch makes sarcastic comments and says that the original point was an error, when really, it wasn’t, Mitch just didn’t like it.

Swiftee is more offensive than Yoss, and that’s hard to do, really hard, so much so that the only person lower than Yoss, is Swift. Coincidence? I think not.
# Mitch Says:
November 19th, 2007 at 8:36 pm

that one was dubious

Nope. There is no link between True North and theMNGOP. None. Zero. Zip.
# Lileks Says:
November 19th, 2007 at 8:55 pm

How long will the Strib allow Ken Weiner to use their house blog as his therapeutic sounding board?”

Until he violates the TOS, ignores warnings, and violates them again, I’d say. As with anyone else. I did remove a picture he’d taken from Swiftee’s site of Swiftee flipping the bird, since that did violate the site’s standards.

# swiftee Says:
November 19th, 2007 at 9:36 pm

Hey, we should really cut Weiner some slack.

It’s got to be hard out there these days for a guy whose artistic acknowledgements rise and fall on the ability of thirteen year old boys to get their hands on third rate smut magazines.

That being said, Weiner should have known about the Strib’s “no shirt, no service” policy…I guess maybe I should take a new “Hiya lefties!” picture while wearing a nice collar and tie ;-)

“Swiftee is more offensive than Yoss” Heh….every time a moonbat writes that I gain the strength to face another day of ripping their their pointy little heads off (figuratively speaking, of course).
# Lileks Says:
November 19th, 2007 at 10:05 pm

Heh. Even if you were in a tux, Swiftee, I’d have taken the picture down - swiping personal pictures from other people’s sites isn’t kosher.


That photo of Tom Swift in the undershirt flipping the bird is all over the blogosphere.

Flash comments:

# flash Says:
November 20th, 2007 at 11:22 am

“no link between True North and theMNGOP”

The Link between True North and the MNGOP is stronger then any Soros link to MN Monitor you could ever make up. The Simple fact there is admitted current and/or former BPOU officers and/or MNGOP officials on the writers list is enough to prove that

However, I do believe there is no direct collaboration between the MNGOP and TN, at least not for now. Its still early in the campaign season.

As for your pissing contest with Avidor, you just make him more credible every time you post on him. Not following your strategy yet, but it is a soap opera in itself. I tend to simply ignore people I think nothing of, rather that trumpet multiple posts how they mean nothing. Seems kind of junior highish actually. But it does spike your hit meter and gets your loyalist all in a lather, so maybe there is something there for ya.

Flash

# Mitch Says:
November 20th, 2007 at 12:02 pm

True North and the MNGOP is stronger then any Soros link to MN Monitor you could ever make up.

Really?

Did TrueNorth ever use GOP office space?

is admitted current and/or former BPOU officers and/or MNGOP officials on the writers list is enough to prove

OF COURSE there’s an ideological link! It’s a conservative blog with Republican tendencies! Most of us (not all) are open about our sympathies!

But there is NO financial, NO editorial, NO content connection between the two.

Whereas, as has been demonstrated, there is at least a credible suggestion of at least a financial connection between the CIM and Soros - a connection that nobody at the Monitor has given the faintest reason to deny.

# flash Says:
November 20th, 2007 at 12:23 pm

Yes, members of TrueNorth have used GOP office space.

Please don’t ignore my statement:

“I do believe there is no direct collaboration between the MNGOP and TN”

I also know that MN Monitor is totally Independent, and you saying otherwise is not only blatantly false, but is simply ridiculous to assume.

# Yossarian Says:
November 20th, 2007 at 12:44 pm

“I also know that MN Monitor is totally Independent”

Proof please. Otherwise, well, I just be over here laughing maniacally at that assertion.
# flash Says:
November 20th, 2007 at 1:38 pm

I provide the same proof Mitch does, because I said so, and, well, in my case, its true! See, MItch is the same guy who will claim MDE is independent even after FEC reports came out showing he was on the dole of campaigns he was consistently writing about on his ‘personal’ blog.

All have ever asked is for someone, anyone, to pick a standard and apply it to both sides and see what shakes out. For now, the only standard Mitch uses is the ‘because I said so’ standard.

But coming from one of the members of ScaifeNet, what would you expect.

Flash

# Mitch Says:
November 20th, 2007 at 2:21 pm

For now, the only standard Mitch uses is the ‘because I said so’ standard

Look, if you think you have something on Brodkorb, take it up with him. I’m not his keeper, and I have no stake in MDE (other than its contribution to the NARN - which is exceptional).

I AM a stakeholder in TN. You said TN had a connection to the GOP comparable to the stake Soros demonstrably has in MM4A and, as it would appear, in CIM/MinMon. Other than the fact that a bunch of Republicans write for a blog that is obstreporously conservative, you gots nothin’.

If I’m such a Scaifer, please tell Dick to start ponying up.
# flash Says:
November 20th, 2007 at 2:34 pm

“”ther than the fact that a bunch of Republicans write for a blog that is obstreporously conservative, you gots nothin’.”"

That right, the same nothing’ you have, using the same standard anyway.

And what I said was, the connection was no different and, in fact, using your standard, far more demonstrably provable than your connect the dot to dot to dot, etc.

I also have enough respect for the professionalism of TN to further state “I do believe there is no direct collaboration between the MNGOP and TN” as I have the same for MN Mon. You want one way without giving the other.

“If I’m such a Scaifer, please tell Dick to start ponying up.”

For starters, he built Town Hall for ya, what more do you want.

Flash

# Mitch Says:
November 20th, 2007 at 2:52 pm

That right, the same nothing’ you have, using the same standard anyway.

Unless you can show that TN ever got material benefit from being associated with the GOP - as CIM most definitely did! - then it’s really just “cuz I say so”.

You want one way without giving the other.

Not at all. I merely have evidence of “the other”, evidence to which MNMon and CIM have never answered.

TN has been rigorously open about its finances (there are none!). MNMon can not say the same.


Mitch Berg isn't happy about the True North comparisons. Some of True North's nutty cast of characters make the Republican Party of Minnesota look bad. Flash made an excellent point about Town Hall - which the NARNians use as their podcast storage site.

Is Berg personally getting paid for any of this? No, and I wouldn't expect him to be beyond advertising revenue and the occasional speaking fee when he speaks to a Republican party organization.

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