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Saturday, December 20, 2008

Rick Warren's Pray Away the Gay Church

Rick Warren's church doesn't allow gays to join. From the saddleback website:

What does the Bible say about homosexuality?
The Bible very clearly says that homosexuality is a sin.

"Homosexuality is absolutely forbidden, for it is an enormous sin." (Lev. 18:22 TLB)

"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexual offenders, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor slanderers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." (1 Cor 6:9-11 NIV)

While all sin is destructive, Romans 6 warns us of the great dangers in sexual sin when it says, "Run away from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body." (1 Cor 6:18 NLT) This includes not only homosexuality, but all sexual immorality: adultery, sex without marriage, pornography. We must not act as if homosexuality is the only serious sexual sin, and we must not act as if homosexuality is not a serious sexual sin.

I've heard it asked, "Isn't being homosexual something that a person is physically born with?" First of all, there are absolutely no facts to support this claim. From time to time studies have been reported in the news that seemed to indicate this, but every one of these studies has proven to be wrong. Secondly, even if some physical difference were discovered, it would be no excuse for sin. We know that some people can develop a stronger physical addiction to alcohol than others, but that's obviously no excuse for living an alcoholic lifestyle.

Finally, a word about being judgmental. It's not judgmental to say that what the Bible calls a sin is a sin, that's just telling the truth. Not being willing to talk to someone caught up in sin, or not believing that they can be forgiven, or thinking that you are not just as much in need of Jesus as they are ... that's being judgmental.

Because membership in a church is an outgrowth of accepting the Lordship and leadership of Jesus in one’s life, someone unwilling to repent of their homosexual lifestyle would not be accepted at a member at Saddleback Church. That does not mean they cannot attend church – we hope they do! God’s Word has the power to change our lives.

In equal desire to follow Jesus, we also would not accept a couple into membership at Saddleback who were not willing to repent of the sexual sin of living together before marriage. That does not mean this couple cannot attend church – we hope they do! God’s Word has the power to change our lives.


This guy is an extremist nut.

Thursday, December 18, 2008

Rick Warren: Creationist

Check it out here. The IDiot believes that evolutionary theory states that evolutionary changes are random events. They are not. Mutations are random, but beneficial mutations are selected (natural selection). This is not a random process. Breeders use a similar idea when they breed for various traits - in that case, it's not natural selection, but rather artificial selection.

Duluth Couple Joins Marry Me Minnesota Legal Challenge to DOMA

The Duluth News Tribune has an excellent article on this topic.

Outfront Promotes themselves as promoting Marriage Equality

Ofcourse this is AFTER they are getting some serious competition by the unfunded group Marriage Equality and Marry Me Minnesota. John Marty sent this oped into many local newspapers and reprinted on Eleventh Avenue South. Now the Strib has an article that Outfront Minnesota is taking the lead on this issue. That's interesting, because Jo Marsicano never disputed the claim that Outfront and Project 515 made calls to Senate leadership to put the kibbosh on the marriage equality legislation. From the comments to the Strib article:

Curious

Mr. Prichard's comment that "the state's interest in marriage is primarily the raising of children" intrigues me. First of all, I was unaware he spoke on behalf of the state. I am impressed, especially since I don't remember a recent election with his name anywhere on a ballot. I'm sure he has an equally valuable opinion on taxes, public transportation, health care, education or any number of issues that Minnesotans face daily. I think it's a good idea that only one person speak for the entire state. Thank God for Mr. Prichard. And God bless him for planting the seeds of the "Come on, I don't hate gay people, but we need to protect our kids from them!" argument that was made in California by the Yes on Prop 8 campaign. "Protect the institution of marriage!" Still, I'm curious as to the statistics of heterosexual marriages that have ended in divorce versus gay marriages that have ended in divorce. Is there not something like a 50% divorce rate? Given that gay people can only legally marry in, what is it? Two states? Where does this statistic fit into protecting marriage and protecting kids? If marriage is in such danger, and the gays, for the most part, can't do it... um, who is to blame? Well, I'm sure the gays messed it up somehow, but maybe a ban of divorce would serve to better protect marriage. That's probably too much work though. Yeah, let's stick with the ban. Prichard goes on to say "children need a mother and a father." Apparently, if they don't... well, it's mass hysteria. I'm paraphrasing a little there. I know in his well thought-out strategy, he has a fantastic plan for all of those children who live in single-parent households, right? They should be removed immediately. Children who have lost a parent -- maybe one has passed away, or maybe abandoned their family -- those kids will need new homes. What about the single-mom who, in today's economy, has to move in with her sister, or her mom, or her best friend to make ends meet and provide for her children? Oh no... TWO WOMEN RAISING THE CHILDREN! We can't have that. Oh wait, they're not GAY women, so it's OK, or... hang on... maybe the sister is gay, but... hmm... there seem to be a few missing pieces. So long as there's a mother and father, it's all good. Wait, if the mother and father are UNmarried, that's OK by Mr. Prichard too, right? I'm sure it would be. Let's not talk about that too much... that's probably a fly in the ointment to some extent, so we'll overlook that. So long as the gays can't get married, we're safe. Mr. Prichard's logic surpasses brilliance. He's so smart, I'm confident his thoughtful proposal will include contingencies for all of the children in these circumstances. Oh! And the children who watch their dad beat up their mom every night, they'll be fine. Or the children who have both a mother and father who don't feed, clothe or properly educate them -- those kids are in GREAT shape! Whew! Just DON'T LET THE GAYS MARRY, because it's to hell in a handbasket if they do. Mr. Prichard will protect us. God bless him.

Outfront Minnesota ED on Air America

I heard Amy Johnson getting interviewed on Air America. She said that Outfront Minnesota's top legislative priority was marriage equality. I find that interesting.

Shower Curtain Chronicles had an interesting comment:

This year, Outfront and Project 515 both worked behind the scenes to
prevent a bill that would grant full marriage rights to same-sex couples from being introduced in the 2008 legislative session. I know, because I was the one who brought the Marriage and Family Protection Act to the legislature.

A DFL lawmaker told me that both Outfront and Project 515 had contacted the Senate Majority Leader's office to try and stop the bill. The Majority Leader's office subsequently leaned on the bill's authors to drop the effort, but they courageously refused and the first marriage equality bill in Minnesota history was introduced…over
the objections of the state's largest "GAY RIGHTS ORGANIZATION."


I heard from a separate source who had talked to the Reitans, that "leadership" had put some pressure on bill authors after he introduced this bill. This is supporting evidence for this story.

I wrote to Outfront Minnesota and Project 515 requesting comment. Outfront responded:

This was simply a timing issue. OutFront Minnesota spoke with Senator
Marty about wanting to be sure the municipal government benefits bill was heard and voted on without being unintentionally held back by the introduction of Senator Marty's bill.


This year, Senator Marty's bill will be introduced earlier in the session. Linda Higgins has signed on again.

Barney Frank on Rick Warren's Invite

News release from Barney Frank
Congressman, 4th District, Massachusetts
2252 Rayburn Building * Washington, D.C. 20515 *
(202) 225-5931

Thursday, December 18, 2008
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

STATEMENT OF CONGRESSMAN FRANK ON PRESIDENT ELECT OBAMA CHOOSING RICK WARREN TO GIVE INAUGURATION INVOCATION

"I am very disappointed by President-elect Barack Obama's decision to honor Reverend Rick Warren with a prominent role in his inauguration. Religious leaders obviously have every right to speak out in opposition to anti-discrimination measures, even in the degrading terms that Rev. Warren has used with regard to same-sex marriage. But that does not confer upon them the right to a place of honor in the inauguration ceremony of a president whose stated commitment to LGBT rights won him the strong support of the great majority of those who support that cause.

"It is irrelevant that Rev. Warren invited Senator Obama to address his congregation, since he extended an equal invitation to Senator McCain. Furthermore, the President-Elect has not simply invited Rev. Warren to give a speech as part of a series in which various views are presented. The selection of a member of the clergy to occupy this uniquely elevated position has always been considered a mark of respect and approval by those who are being inaugurated."

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Focus on the Family Happy with Obama

From Citizen Link:

Gay Activists Erupt as Obama Invites Rick Warren to Pray

President-elect Barack Obama has added fuel to the gay activists' fire by inviting the Rev. Rick Warren to give the invocation at his inauguration.

Warren made headlines in August when he hosted Obama and Sen. John McCain at his Saddleback Church in California. He also endorsed California's marriage-protection amendment, which has fueled protests and violence from the gay community since its passage in November.

Joe Solmonese, president of the gay-activist Human Rights Campaign, said Obama has "tarnished the view that gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender Americans have a place at your table."

Tom Minnery, senior vice president of government and public policy at Focus on the Family Action, said: "It's nice to see a conservative evangelical pastor play such a prominent role in such an important event.

"It underscores the importance of evangelicalism in the country," he told The Associated Press.

— Jennifer Mesko


This is the focus on the family that prayed for rain during Obama's acceptance speech.

Wednesday, December 17, 2008

More on Rick Warren

Salon Letters:

Unfortunately, Obama was directly involved in Picking Warren

Mike lets Obama off the hook here (I hope through carelesness and not through intentionally withholding information). The JCCIC simply invited Warren. Obama, the JCCIC Chairman, and Biden actually selected Warren, according to the press release announcing the inaugural lineup:

"The program participants were invited by the Joint Congressional Committee on Inaugural Ceremonies and chosen by the Chairman, the Presidential-elect and the Vice President-elect."

I'm all for being pragmatic, triangulating, etc., to neutralize the Right. But Warren is an ant-gay, anti-choice zealot who says a Christian who votes for a pro-choice candidate is like a Jew who votes for a Holocaust denier. And a douchebag.

I supported Obama big time. I have no problem with his centrist choices for cabinet positions. But when he pulls crap like giving a prominent role to a guy like Warren, he needs to be called out on it.

Obama's Inaugeration Team Chooses Anti-Gay Rick Warren to Give Invocation

More here.

In another Donny McClurkin moment, magnified by the context of this historic inauguration, the Joint Inaugural Committee has chosen Prop 8 homophobe and noted religious nutcase Rick Warren of the Saddleback Church and Store™ to deliver the Benediction at his Inauguration.

Aretha Franklin and Dr. Rick Warren, an author and leader of the Saddleback Church, are among the select group of people who will participate in Barack Obama’s inaugural swearing-in ceremony on Jan. 20.

Dr. Warren, of the Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, Cal., will deliver the invocation, followed by musical selections by Aretha Franklin, the Queen of Soul, who sang “Someday We’ll All Be Free” and “Respect” at a concert for Bill Clinton in 1993, but not at the inaugural ceremony.

This is a horrific insult to the thousands of LGBT Americans who worked to elect Barack Obama president and the millions of LGBT Americans who voted for him.


Warren sounds like another charlatan in the vane of Mac Hammond.

A commenter over at Americablog points out:

This isn't something that Obama should be entirely blamed for. Look at the program, after all. According to the program, "The program participants were invited by the Joint Congressional Committee on Inaugural Ceremonies and chosen by the Chairman, the Presidential-elect and the Vice President-elect. In addition to Senator Feinstein, the members of the Joint Congressional Committee on Inaugural Ceremonies include: Senator Bob Bennett, Ranking Member of the Senate Rules Committee; Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid; Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi; House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer; and House Republican Leader John Boehner." Thus, while Obama is culpable for not objecting to the choice of Rick Warren, he's not alone in his guilt: the whole Democratic leadership is, too!

coolcatdaddy 35 minutes ago 1 point

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I've just sent a message to change.gov with my thoughts about the Warren mess and about how the Democratic Party, more generally, gives LGBTs the short stick.

I plan on Inauguration Day to change my registration from Democratic to Independent and plan to only vote in local elections until the Democrats do more than just give lip-service to LGBTs.

I can't participate in a process that doesn't represent me at all.

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A couple of points.

1) Rick Warren is Obama's friend. It's not a totally political stunt.

2) Gays went stronger for McCain this year, but about 10 points compared to Bush/Kerry. I believe they were the only group with a statistically significant drop in support for Obama compared to Kerry.

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Boycott the event Joe and how many people are going to notice or care?

However turn this into the biggest Prop 8 event and lots of people will probably notice. As I've posted on DKos, it might be a good idea to start a campaign to have people turn their backs when Warren speaks. Maybe hold signs too. The inauguration is going to have the world's attention, if we can get progressives to work together we could make a point about Warren and Prop H8 at the same time.

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Let me preface by saying that I still have a lot of hope and confindence that Obama will be the best president in my lifetime and I am forever glad he won the election. Now, having said that....I'm so fucking let down by this. What an absolute slap in the face. It's obviously intentional and meant to send a message to all GLBT people. I suppose it's good that we see Obama's true colors and what he thinks of us early on. I thought he might be different than most democrats but it's now glaringly obvious that is not the case.

Shame on Obama and shame on anyone that tries making excuses for him.

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weren't you the same guys who were bitching just a couple of months ago about the McCain campaign's guilt-by-association tactics. If you believed then that sitting in Rev. Wright's church for 20 years or serving on the same board with William Ayers didn't make Obama an America hating terrorist; why now do you believe that Rick Warren saying a prayer at his inauguration makes Barack an anti-abortion, torture loving, Iran-invading homophobe? Fanaticism is just as ugly on the left as it is on the right. All I see here is a lot of heat and not a single ray of light. I thought we were smarter than the Redstate mob.

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Lucky, you obviously haven't read everything else written here. Apparently according to the logic here not only is Barack a homophobe he's not even a progressive; forget the fact that he includes "gay" in every speech he makes where he talks about all Americans "black, white, gay, straight..." or that he's proposing 1 trillion dollars in stimulus spending. Which other candidate - not even president - before now has ever done that. I don't see anyone implying that he's now anti-abortion because of this but somehow he's anti-gay, even a homophobe. If the price that the gay community demands of its allies is that they agree with them 100% of the time and only hang out with people who only agree with them 100% of the time then you're going to be left with precious few allies and absolutely none than can help bridge divides and advance the cause of equality. At the risk of being stoned I'll quote Reagan, "My 90% friend is not my 10% enemy." This you're either with us or you're against us attitude didn't exactly work so well for George Bush, did it? Seems the only problem we have with tyranny is that we don't get to be the tyrant.

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I disagree with pdxprobert's first half of the post about the far right. I don't think Obama is pandering to them as Rick Warren is not as popular among the core evangelicals as you might think. I also disagree with Gridlock's comment because having a prayer by a religious wacko is no reason to declare that the sky is falling. It isn't. Adults keep their wits about them and keep their eye on the real issues and a prayer by a homophobe isn't one of them. Repealing "Dont ask Dont tell" is one of them and marriage equality is another but you can't from A to Z without going through the rest of the letters first. We are much further along in our quest for equal rights than we think and trashing our allies (YES Obama is an ally) is not the way to get to B, C, D etc.


I agree with this. I'm more concerned about the policy that will come out of the Obama administration.

At the same time, John Aravosis has more. I do have a problem with giving a guy a platform and legitimacy who states that gays can be equated with incest perpetrators. I think the way to make this backfire, is to do a creative demonstration that will make Obama look bad for choosing this guy. So it can't be violent. Creative signs (without getting vulgar) - can make the point.

So I'm going back and forth on this one. What do you think?

Another commenter notes:

Update: Are you looking for someone to email to express your outrage? Well, a well-placed source just provided these email addresses:

parag.mehta@ptt.gov (Parag Mehta is Obama’s LGBT liaison in the transition team.)
dnoble@barackobama.com
bbond@barackobama.com
shidebrand@barackobama.com
fred.hochberg@ptt.com
You can also contact Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s office. She chaired the Joint Congressional Committee on Inaugural Ceremonies and made the announcement.

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You guys remind me of the McCain campaign... all tactics and no strategy. If all you're ever doing is reacting then there's no way you're going to win. Protesting Rick Warren is about as dumb as a dumb move can be because you're playing right into their hands. The Religious Right want to make this a fight about religion. That's the only way they win, by arguing that gay rights is an infringement on their religious rights. The fact is the Bible categorically says homosexuality is a sin, and you arguing that people that believe that should somehow renounce those believes or not agitate in support of those beliefs, they will tell you, is no different than you complaining about them telling you to stop being gay. That argument gets either side nowhere but stasis suits the RR perfectly because they're already where they want to be. The Bible also clearly endorses slavery. The reason most churches even today are still either predominantly white or predominantly black is because MLK never asked white people who used the Bible to justify their bigotry to stop believing what they believed, he never protested a white racist church, he made his protest to the government because the rights he was seeking we're not religious rights based on the eye of the beholder but civil rights enshrined in the constitution. Once again, railing against the RR is exactly what they want because it obfuscates the line between the Bible and the Constitution. Dumb move. Step away from the window and get a strategy.

Outfront Minnesota Announces New ED

From Outfront Minnesota ENews:

Dear OutFront Minnesota Friends,

We are very pleased to announce that we have chosen attorney and long-time community advocate and leader Amy Johnson to become the new OutFront Minnesota Executive Director.

Amy brings extensive experience in public policy and advocacy, fundraising and management and has a demonstrated track record of commitment to GLBT equality. She has served as board chair or member of numerous GLBT organizations including PFund, where she helped endowment funds grow to more than $1 million, as well as District 202, the National Lesbian and Gay Law Association and the Minnesota Lavender Bar Association. An attorney for 20 years, she lobbied the American Bar Association to ensure passage of a national policy to prevent discrimination against same-sex couples in adoption cases. She has served on several political campaigns including for state legislature, city council, mayor, governor and Minnesota Supreme Court.

Johnson's selection concludes a five-month process that included eight community conversations about the future of OutFront Minnesota and its leadership needs; a search committee composed of community leaders and board members which interviewed and recommended candidates to the board for final selection.

Amy will provide OutFront Minnesota with the leadership and vision it needs as it embarks on an ambitious agenda that includes the pursuit of marriage equality and elimination of discrimination against gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people in Minnesota. She'll officially begin at OutFront Minnesota on January 5.

Our work to end GLBT discrimination has only been possible because of your enduring support. We hope you'll be as inspired and excited about this announcement as we are to continue the work to achieve full equality and that you'll work side-by-side with us to achieve that goal.

Tomorrow, look for the story in the media including the Minneapolis Star Tribune and other publications; and listen for interviews with Amy on Minnesota Public Radio's All Things Considered with Tom Crann (3-6:30pm); and The Mark Heaney program on KTNF 950 AM (Air America Minnesota) at 5:30 pm.

Watch for our future announcement about a community event in late January to welcome Amy.

We look forward to seeing and working with you in the New Year.


I hope Amy Johnson is a results oriented person when it comes to politics.

Facebook Numbers for Marry Me Minnesota, Minnesota Marriage Equality and Outfront Minnesota

It's interesting to compare these organizations on Facebook.

Marry Me Minnesota has 489 members on December 16, 2009 at 9:30 PM.

Marriage Equality Minnesota has 2,560 members on December 16, 2009 at 9:30 PM.

Outfront Minnesota has 424 members on December 16, 2009 at 9:30 PM.

Tuesday, December 16, 2008

Another Defender of the Sanctity of Marriage

Pam's House Blend has the scoop.

Avidor on Jpods

Secrets of the City:

Looks like San Jose and Minneapolis is in a race to be the first to become JPOD cities. Watch Mpls City Council President Barb Johnson take a ride on Bill James' pod (with sporty, yellow "support the troops" sticker).

Monday, December 15, 2008

Teen Challenge's So Called Study

Maia Szalavitz takes apart Teen Challenge's claim that a study has shown them to be "74% effective."

When Minnesota Teen Challenge (MNTC) responded to my recent blog entry about their anti-drug program, they cited a "study" to back their claims of being an effective treatment for addiction.

What this paper actually shows is how easy it is produce good looking numbers. In that way, it's actually quite instructive for anyone who wants to understand addiction research--or wants to avoid being taken in by exaggerated outcome data.

Even more intriguingly, MNTC failed to mention that the success rate they proudly cited is for adults--but buried in their own study is a much more dismal picture for teenagers.

Their uncontrolled research includes the classic statistical ploys used by drug programs for decades to inflate success rates. At first glance, a claim of 74% of graduates abstinent without relapse for six months sounds pretty good. OK, it's only six months--but often, if you can make it six months at a time without relapsing, you are doing pretty well.

Let's look a little closer at that number and how it was generated, however. Start with the fact that MNTC participants are not just "addicts off the street." They are seeking treatment--either because they have to in order to avoid prison or because they have decided they want to stop using.

Most have been through a detox program to help with withdrawal--and many will have dropped out before completing that. MNTC participants have also consented to attend a highly religious rehab--or had their parents consent for them. This suggests that we have already eliminated many of the addicts who aren't motivated to recover before they even set foot in the door.

Because there is no control group, all of those facts already mean that any success in the program we see could be due to pre-existing motivation: not to anything special about the rehab. Only with a control group of similar people who get no treatment or attend a different rehab can we really tell what works and what doesn't.


Read the whole thing. If there is no control group in this study, then the "74% effectiveness rate" doesn't mean anything.

Sunday, December 14, 2008

Rich Stanek Promoting Teen Challenge

City Pages on Minnesota Teen Challenge

Excellent article from 1995 here:

Though the Minnesota branch's literature promises that "tours of the facilities are available by appointment," Scherber backed out of a scheduled visit from City Pages twice. He did, however, discuss the program on the phone, alternating between suspicion ("We don't need any turdy publicity") and enthusiasm. "We believe that there is a sin problem with humanity," he explains. "That your problem has a spiritual origin. There is a heavy emphasis on Bible memorization."

There are currently 50 students in Minnesota Teen Challenge, Scherber says: "29 adult males, 14 ladies, and seven teenagers," the latter in a Christian school run out of a nearby church. A list of things to bring for the minimum one-year stay begins with "dress clothes" for church. Would-be residents pay a $100 application fee (the rest of the program is free, though the literature asks residents to turn over 75 percent of any public-assistance payments) and fill out a sheet with questions such as "Have you ever been involved in a homosexual relationship or associated activities? If yes, please explain." Entrants sign a form allowing staff to search their person, their room, and their mail, promising to have communication "with immediate family members only," and to withdraw from drugs, alcohol, tobacco, and coffee beyond a cup a day "cold turkey, aided only by prayer." Finally, they vouch that "I Am Committing Myself To This (1) Year, Deeply Christian Based Program, Without Any Form Of Coercion."

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But not everyone who's dealt with Teen Challenge is as sanguine. Julie Borlaug first heard about the program in a Bible study class at her church in Eagan; the instructor suggested that church members "go down and touch" the urban destitute. But when she called and mentioned her 16-year AA background, she says she was told she should get on her knees and repent. What followed was a series of phone conversations in which Borlaug says she merely demanded her due--a meeting, a tour, financial accountability from an organization her church donations were supporting. What she found, she says, made her concerned that she'd run into "some sort of a cult" that dealt with vulnerable people without public oversight. Scherber, for his part, has slapped a restraining order on Borlaug and her husband, claiming that their phone calls harassed him and his employees. "We have all the licenses we need," he insists. "I don't know where this woman is coming from."

As it turns out, both were partially right. Teen Challenge isn't licensed by the state or the city, and it's possible it doesn't need to be. Under Minnesota law, you can operate all sorts of "group residential facilities" without regulation, as long as you're not claiming to be providing health care services such as professional drug treatment. And while state law requires nonprofits to give the public financial information including tax returns, religious organizations are exempt.

Teen Challenge's only vulnerable point may be the fact that it recently began working with adolescents. Scherber says officials have told him he doesn't need a license for that. But following Borlaug's inquiries, the state Department of Human Services has begun looking into the matter: "We will probably want to talk to them," says Julie Reger, manager of the department's licensing division.


Rich Scherber now claims he is licensed by the state department of human services. Why was Scherber so unwilling to provide financial accountability to a church member in Eagan?

Rich Scherber: God Protected Teen Challenge from Results of the 35W Bridge Collapse

Read it here:

The Minnesota Teen Challenge program is thanking God on several fronts for His awesome protection during the bridge collapse on Interstate 35 yesterday. This bridge is located just ¼ mile from our main center and is traveled hundreds of times by many of our students and staff as the main route to the Northeast metro area. I have heard almost a dozen stories from employees and students who were on this bridge just minutes before it went down. I want to share three of the most powerful miracles.

First, Jessica our admissions supervisor told me in tears how at 6:00 last night she was ready to enter the I-35 Bridge over the Mississippi. The Holy Spirit spoke to her very abruptly to turn off the freeway and go a different way home. She obeyed the Holy Spirit arguing with him all the way. Since she takes this same route every day and her commute home takes almost an hour, detouring from the freeway and not crossing over the bridge didn't make sense. Shortly after she detoured from I-35, the bridge went down. Jessica most likely would have been on that bridge.


Where did Scherber get those pictures? The public was not allowed that close to the site the day after the collapse.

Only the police and the media could have taken those pictures.

Did God also bring Minnesota Teen Challenge to listen to Frank Vennes about investments?